{"id":5149,"date":"2025-05-11T18:43:23","date_gmt":"2025-05-11T18:43:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/theatre.local\/materiala-ricibspeja-un-performejoss-makslas-objekts-maksliniecu-saruna\/"},"modified":"2025-05-11T18:43:23","modified_gmt":"2025-05-11T18:43:23","slug":"materiala-ricibspeja-un-performejoss-makslas-objekts-maksliniecu-saruna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/theatre.kondrats.dev\/en\/materiala-ricibspeja-un-performejoss-makslas-objekts-maksliniecu-saruna\/","title":{"rendered":"Material Agency and Artwork as Performer. Artist Talk"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>In conversation with Latvian artist and sculptor <a href=\"https:\/\/gundegaevelone.berta.me\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gundega Evelone<\/a>, the Finnish artist <a href=\"https:\/\/www.puska.me\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Laura Puska<\/a> introduces the project <a href=\"https:\/\/www.puska.me\/urgent-residency-for-artworks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">URGENT \u2013 Residency for Artworks<\/a> that serves as a platform to ponder upon material agency.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Gundega Evelone: Maybe you can tell us a little bit about yourself, and how you met <em>blob<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>Laura Puska: I&#8217;m Laura Puska, and I&#8217;m here today to share with you my work \u201cURGENT \u2013 Residency for Artworks\u201d. It\u2019s a performance-based piece where I invite artworks from other artists to live with me. I carry them around and observe how the objects perform. Last year, I worked with three different objects from <a href=\"https:\/\/evaspierenburg.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Eva Spierenburg<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.niinatervo.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Niina Tervo<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/sijbenrosa.nl\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sijben Rosa<\/a>. Today I&#8217;m here with <em>blob<\/em>, the sculpture by Eva Spierenburg. \u201cURGENT\u201d is an ongoing work that cherishes the process, it is a platform for exchange, research, and thinking together. I invite you to encounter <em>blob<\/em>, like you are, as a physical being in the world. So feel free to touch it, lift it, or sit next to it during the talk and after it. Just a note that <em>blob<\/em> is sensitive to liquids and sharp objects.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: Like a human being!<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: A being, but no drinks, no piercings, no alcohol. Otherwise, it\u2019s a very durable, charming fellow.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: And how long is your relationship with him? Or is it she or he or they?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: I use \u201cit\u201d. It might be because I&#8217;m Finnish and in our language we don&#8217;t have genders for words, so I tend to use \u201cit\u201d. It\u2019s an issue that actually comes up with all the objects in some conversations. <em>Blob<\/em> is my permanent resident and co-worker. I did a pilot in 2020, and since then, <em>blob<\/em> has been living with me. Eva, the creator of <em>blob<\/em>, is busy with new work and doesn&#8217;t want it back. She says, \u201cIt\u2019s too busy in my studio \u2013 don&#8217;t bring it back!\u201d So we are basically living together forever, and therefore the collaboration between me and Eva is ongoing.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: Forever, wow. That\u2019s quite a long period. But how do you characterize it? Is it your pet, or is it like another non-human being, on the same level of consciousness as you, but only silent? Or is it just an item? Do you have some kind of mental relationship with it?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: I think <em>blob<\/em> is very close to a perfect sculpture, and I really trust it. I would even say that we have a close, rather intimate relationship, built over months of working and performing together. Eva sometimes says she doesn&#8217;t feel it\u2019s her object anymore \u2013 it\u2019s distancing itself from her. Or perhaps it has found its place in between our practices. I try to remind myself and others that it\u2019s still just an object \u2013 a block of matter. I don&#8217;t intentionally try to humanize it, but that can happen easily. I think it\u2019s something we as humans do. In this piece, I\u2019m basically asking you to encounter and care for an object, and we often approach care situations with empathy and assimilation. Having an anthropomorphic approach to an object may indicate some sort of care \u2013 or intention to build a relationship.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: Yes, very quickly we start to have feelings for objects, for amulets, because we personify them with another person who is already there for us.<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: When I carry it, we sort of unite; we share a body when I use my hands and legs to move the sculpture. Otherwise, I do think that we are separate units \u2013 we have our own lives. We\u0157e not living in symbiosis. In the beginning, when I started working with it, I was really confused. I live in Ghent, in Belgium, and when I went into the city and ran into friends or colleagues, the first thing they asked me was how <em>blob<\/em> was doing. This happened even when the sculpture wasn&#8217;t with me. It took me some time to get my head around it. I thought, \u201cI left it on the sofa, what is the question?\u201d. It developed this character even through its absence, which is fascinating.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: Maybe you can tell me more \u2013 how did you get this idea? What was your way of starting this project?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: The work stems from a bigger question I&#8217;ve been quite occupied with for the past few years. It has to do with adapting artistic practices \u2013 how I, or artists in general, adapt our professional practices to the current state of the world, with economic and social crises. I\u2019m thinking of this as a crisis of production. I have a background in crafts; I was originally educated as a glassblower. It\u2019s a job based on producing new, handmade objects \u2013 which means expensive objects compared to mass-produced objects. Producing new things feels absurd when we live in a world already full of objects. Do we need more of them, or what do we do with them? What kind of relationship do we have with objects? If we think of functional objects, like scissors \u2013 we call them scissors when they cut. When they don&#8217;t, they&#8217;re a waste. Trash. It\u2019s very narrow, what we allow for objects and materials. And surely, the same can be asked about humans \u2013 if we allow anything more for people when it comes to disabilities or marginalized groups.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: And then you had the idea about this residency. As I understand it, there were several other residents with you, and one of them had a, how to say, not-so-lucky fate. Can you tell me about it?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: Yes, there were three sculptures by three artists. Originally, the idea was to keep them separate \u2013 four months living with each object. Last year, I was invited to a residency at Kunsthal Gent, so I thought it would be nice to have them all together. The artists were fine with a change of schedule, and we ended up having this family of sculptures. Yesterday I realized I still can\u2019t talk about <em>blob<\/em> without mentioning the other objects. We are a sculptural family and it\u2019s been magical to follow how differently they behave and how the objects relate to each other. <em>Blob<\/em> is a very social object \u2013 it sparks interactions easily. Cars might stop in the middle of traffic to ask me, \u201cWhat are you carrying?\u201d. Then, the glass object by Niina Tervo \u2013 eight kilos of hand-blown glass \u2013 was a little bit like a moth or something. People were very reserved around it, and I had a hard time because I felt the sculpture didn\u2019t speak, didn\u2019t resonate, or I didn\u2019t know how to activate it. After a while, I made a leash for it and started dragging it around.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: It made some sound?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: Yes, and then it was screaming! I realized that this object really rejected the human language \u2013 that it only communicated through contact with other materials, in its own material way. But indeed, that piece unfortunately broke down in an accident during transport. I had to return it to Niina in pieces, which was \u2013 and still is \u2013 heartbreaking. But we knew there was a risk. I collected every little piece. It was really shattered. All the material is still there\u2026<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: It has physical presence, but in another form.<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: Exactly. Before I start working with a sculpture, we go through the do\u2019s and don&#8217;ts with the artist. Accidents are surely different, unwanted things that can happen. But the residency isn\u2019t for every kind of sculpture or artist. It\u2019s quite an unconventional approach, dragging someone\u2019s sculpture on asphalt. We talked about this with Niina \u2013 that it\u2019s sculpting through performance. We both found it interesting to blur the line between sculpting and performing. But through the accident, the sculpture was really re-sculpted when it broke. Now it\u2019s returned to Niina in a transformed form, back in its sculpting process.<\/p>\n<div class='gallery'><a href='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.34-1.jpeg' data-lightbox='ljti' ><img style='width:150px;height:150px;' src='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.34-1-150x150.jpeg'\/><\/a><a href='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.33-1-1.jpeg' data-lightbox='ljti' ><img style='width:150px;height:150px;' src='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.33-1-1-150x150.jpeg'\/><\/a><a href='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.33-2.jpeg' data-lightbox='ljti' ><img style='width:150px;height:150px;' src='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.33-2-150x150.jpeg'\/><\/a><a href='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.32-1.jpeg' data-lightbox='ljti' ><img style='width:150px;height:150px;' src='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.26.32-1-150x150.jpeg'\/><\/a><a href='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.35.49-1.jpeg' data-lightbox='ljti' ><img style='width:150px;height:150px;' src='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.35.49-1-150x150.jpeg'\/><\/a><a href='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.36.23-1.jpeg' data-lightbox='ljti' ><img style='width:150px;height:150px;' src='https:\/\/theatre.lv\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/WhatsApp-Image-2025-05-11-at-21.36.23-1-150x150.jpeg'\/><\/a><\/p>\n<div class='clr'><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Then there\u2019s the third piece by Sijben \u2013 a huge, black, junky, heavy piece of work. It was a physical challenge for me. Sijben lives in Amsterdam, and I try to travel by land to pick and return the works. I was taking the train and I didn&#8217;t have wheels at that point. Later, I had three different wheel systems for that sculpture. There were train issues that complicated the trip, and I injured my back. I went to a doctor who asked me what I do for a living. I said, \u201cI carry objects around.\u201d He gave me a sick leave and told me not to carry objects anymore. All three sculptures were different and had their own emphases \u2013 social, material, or bodily. It\u2019s been truly eye-opening to look at the role of objects in society through working and performing with these sculptures.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: You mentioned some reactions from spectators. How do people usually react to <em>blob<\/em>? Do they want to touch it? Or do they keep their distance?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: It is still difficult to make people hold something. Whenever I move around with an object, there\u2019s this responsibility toward the maker of the object. I\u2019m a caregiver. During the performance period, I get nightmares about breaking the sculptures. At one point, I had a nightmare of <em>blob<\/em> being pierced like Frida Kahlo. Eva made drawings of it [laughs]. Since then, she keeps asking me: \u201cDo you have more nightmares, so I can make more drawings?\u201d But jokes aside, the responsibility for care is always in the back of my mind. Of course, with the artists, we talked about the risks. With Nina, we even discussed getting insurance for the glass piece, but no company insures art that you carry around. We\u2019re supposed to look at art from a distance, and that art should stand still.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: How did the name \u2018blob&#8217; come about? Was that your idea or Eva\u2019s?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: It was Eva\u2019s idea. With this sculpture, we could actually even ask if it is an art piece. Eva worked on it for a long time. It was trying to find its way into her installations and sculptural work, but it didn\u2019t. So when I visited her studio, she said: \u201cOh, this is kind of an extra one. Take this one!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: Maybe you can tell me \u2013 do you have some special place for it in your apartment? Because it\u2019s an object that creates some kind of landscape. Maybe it has its own, I don&#8217;t know, sofa or pedestal?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: Well, I recently moved apartments, but in the previous apartment, when it arrived, we really had to fight over the sofa. A typical scenario would be: I&#8217;m on the sofa, then I leave, put <em>blob<\/em> there \u2013 and whenever I wanted to return, I had to move it first. So it really complicated my life. And then when the three objects were all in the house together, it was interesting to see how they started to group together. They weren&#8217;t hanging out on the sofa anymore \u2013 they took over the floor. I felt like an outsider \u2013 a human among these objects. It was nice to see how the dynamics changed when the objects were the majority.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: This seems to me like a very durational, psychological process. It\u2019s developing, you are developing your feelings for it. Do you have any idea how this will end? How will it result?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: I don&#8217;t know yet. I&#8217;m not talking to <em>blob<\/em> every day. But I do notice that when guests or friends come over, they always go and talk to <em>blob<\/em> \u2013 or at least say hi and bye. Sometimes I don&#8217;t even remember that I have this object around. So it\u2019s not always in an active stage \u2013 sometimes it has its own stuff.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: And sometimes you just start to work with it and move it?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: Yeah, I work with a performance schedule to keep the focus and to plan when I leave the house with an object, because moving gets complicated and needs preparation. Sometimes it\u2019s more spontaneous \u2013 we just start moving around and playing, like making still lifes in the living room.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: How about your physical state? You are bringing it everywhere with you, and earlier you said you even had back problems. How is your body responding to it? Have your feelings changed over time?<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: It is a challenging piece physically. If you touch and hold the sculpture, you\u2019ll notice it\u2019s really not straight or symmetrical from any angle. When I was making the clothes \u2013 we have rain gear and a carrying harness \u2013 it was difficult because of its organic form. I feel it when I&#8217;m carrying it, too. It changes my posture and proportions. And then there\u2019s the fact that it makes me visible when I&#8217;m walking around with it. I recently saw \u2013 or rather, my neighbor saw me on the street. Suddenly I heard a knock on <em>blob<\/em> from behind. It was puzzling \u2013 like I&#8217;m a snail with a back door.<\/p>\n<p>G.E.: They find ways to interact by themselves.<\/p>\n<p>L.P.: Yes, exactly. That\u2019s the thing. Life with a sculpture can also be very subtle. I don\u2019t want to force it to perform. Rather, I try to practice sensitivity towards noticing how and when it resonates; what kind of encounters it invites, what conversations it leads me to have, and where it takes me. I really consider myself as the legs only. The sculpture is the voice. It\u2019s through its material and form that encounters happen.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>During the 2024 Homo Novus festival in Riga, Finnish artist Laura Puska in a public conversation introduced festival guests to her project \u201cURGENT \u2013  Residency for Artworks\u201d and to her artistic practice that reflects on the material agency. 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